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Ctb · Mar 16, 2009, 06:51 PM // 18:51

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I'm not sure what CTB was on about above about the game rules

A year or two ago a player found out that B.O.B. had a player in it who was on the dev team. That dev, t20, used his access to generate a bunch of super-rare blueprints for B.O.B. When the player exposed it, CCP banned him and stuck their fingers in their ears. When the playerbase finally forced their hand, they admitted it happened, issued a half-hearted apology, and that was basically it. The player is still banned, t20 is still employed, and B.O.B. got to keep their ill-gotten loot.

Also, recently, a couple players came out and admitted they'd been exploited a mining bug for years that allowed them to generate virtually infinite amounts of rare resources from moons on a nightly basis. They said they reported the bug a few times when they found it and were ignored by CCP, so they started to exploit it and used it to basically run roughshod over everyone else. Again, CCP tried to pretend nothing happened. They quietly fixed the bug and clammed up.

I like the game, but I can't stomach paying for it monthly when CCP apparently has such little regard for the basic rules of its own game.

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.i said gw's engine is technically more capable in producing better graphics than wow's engine..

You said it in response to a quote you pulled directly from my post, and that quote was a direct response to the statement I put to you. So unless you just quoted me for no reason and you're not defending that other guy (which, again, makes your response to me entirely pointless as it has nothing to do with me), my challenge to you is perfectly valid.

destroythecity · Mar 16, 2009, 08:25 PM // 20:25

Great article. Short and I loved the read, it hits the nail on the head so to speak. I love what GuildWars has been able to do hanging under the shadow of World of Warcraft. I also put this article on Digg, so if you have a Digg account go ahead and Digg it.
http://digg.com/pc_games/News_OMGRPG..._Guild_Wars_PC

snaek · Mar 16, 2009, 09:47 PM // 21:47

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Originally Posted by ctb

You said it in response to a quote you pulled directly from my post, and that quote was a direct response to the statement I put to you. So unless you just quoted me for no reason and you're not defending that other guy (which, again, makes your response to me entirely pointless as it has nothing to do with me), my challenge to you is perfectly valid.

reading comprehension ftl

this is what you originally quoted: "You have to be a blind moron to think that visually WoW is better than GW."
then you changed it and wanted me to defend this bastardized version of it: "visually WoW is better than GW."
they mean two totally opposite things; one favours gw, the other favours wow...

Ctb · Mar 16, 2009, 10:36 PM // 22:36

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Originally Posted by snaek

reading comprehension ftl

this is what you originally quoted: "You have to be a blind moron to think that visually WoW is better than GW."
then you changed it and wanted me to defend this bastardized version of it: "visually WoW is better than GW."
they mean two totally opposite things; one favours gw, the other favours wow...

Yes, I forgot to swap the game names when I summarized it, so sue me. Do you really expect me to believe you couldn't figure out the point?

DreamWind · Mar 16, 2009, 11:18 PM // 23:18

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Originally Posted by Ctb

Or maybe he's smart enough to look up "subjective" in a dictionary.

Fine.

Prove it then. Prove this statement using only objective data: "visually WoW is better than GW"

I'm sorry but this is dumb. You might as well say Pac-Man has better graphics than Guild Wars because graphics are subjective and I think Pac-Man looks cooler.

Red Sonya · Mar 16, 2009, 11:56 PM // 23:56

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It is very nice in guild wars to be able to load up and play a game without having to worry about paying for it...

But, you can do that with thousands of games. Both Diablo's, Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2, the hundreds of independent free mmos and mmorpgs, plus all the fpsers and rts games. So, GW really has nothing over any of those, plus it doesn't even offer more content like the WOW's and Everquests and the rest on a regular basis.

Alleji · Mar 17, 2009, 01:24 AM // 01:24

Nice try at trolling, but my statement was perfectly objective.

I said Guild Wars has better graphics. You can further break it down to say that GW has more detailed and more varied textures, higher polycount character models, better lighting, a dozen other things.

I also said that you have to be a moron to believe otherwise... which would also be true because you would be rejecting the above facts.

Skyy High · Mar 17, 2009, 01:59 AM // 01:59

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Originally Posted by Ctb

Fine.

Prove it then. Prove this statement using only objective data: "visually WoW is better than GW"

Polygon counts, dynamic lighting range, color palette, draw distances. There are definitely ways to quantify how good an engine looks relative to another. The art style is a different matter entirely.

[edit]Hurray for not reading the most recent post...

Ctb · Mar 17, 2009, 01:51 PM // 13:51

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You might as well say Pac-Man has better graphics than Guild Wars because graphics are subjective and I think Pac-Man looks cooler.

That's my point. He can't prove it because it's not an objective statement, it's his personal opinion. Which is fine, but maybe he ought to not going around calling people "blind morons" because they don't agree with his personal opinions.

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I said Guild Wars has better graphics.

No, you didn't. Your exact words are right there on page 9:

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Uh... you forgot the part where graphics are terrible, shoulders are 3x the size they should be (5x for taurens) and half of those "swords/axes with glowing auras" look less like a weapon and more like a bastard lovechild of a crystalline sword and a christmas tree.

You have to be a blind moron to think that visually WoW is better than GW.

That's your exact post, word for word, my emphasis on the point I'm calling you out on.

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Polygon counts, dynamic lighting range, color palette, draw distances. There are definitely ways to quantify how good an engine looks relative to another.

Which is an argument that can be made, but that's not what he said. He called people "blind morons" if they didn't think Guild Was was "visually better" than WoW. For a quick lesson on why there's such a terribly important distinction to be made between the technical and artistic merits of a video game, see the old games "Tempest 2000" for the Jaguar or "Starfox" on the SNES. Objectively, on a purely technical level, they're graphical masterpieces. Frankly, I think they both look like crap because I hate that geometric art style with a passion.

Inde · Mar 17, 2009, 01:59 PM // 13:59

Uh, not to break into your convo but Ctb, that's exactly what the guy did say. Guild Wars has better graphics. You must be reading something wrong.

fallot · Mar 17, 2009, 02:13 PM // 14:13

Ctb stop arguing semantics you RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing idiot. How much of a nerd do you have to be to waste energy debating this stuff?

Ctb · Mar 17, 2009, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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that's exactly what the guy did say. Guild Wars has better graphics. You must be reading something wrong.

His post is on page 9, my verbatim quote of the entire thing is right above. Maybe I am reading something wrong, so here's what I see when I look at his post:

1. A subjective complaint that "shoulders are too big"
2. A subjective complaint about weapon enchant animations (the "glowing auras" he's referring to)
3. A subjective complaint about the stylization of the weapon skins

Then, he calls people who disagree that "WoW is [not] visually better than GW" "blind morons".

What's the objective argument of his post, then, that I'm missing? Whole thing sounds like an opinion to me, which is, like I said, perfectly cool, except that he decided to tack on the "blind morons" bit.

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Ctb stop arguing semantics you RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing idiot. How much of a nerd do you have to be to waste energy debating this stuff?

If it gets you that hot under the collar, use the ignore feature on me like I just did for you.

Kattar · Mar 17, 2009, 05:54 PM // 17:54

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What's the objective argument of his post, then, that I'm missing? Whole thing sounds like an opinion to me, which is, like I said, perfectly cool, except that he decided to tack on the "blind morons" bit.

You didn't post your opinion, Ctb?

Ctb · Mar 17, 2009, 11:05 PM // 23:05

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You didn't post your opinion, Ctb?

I might have, but I don't remember doing so offhand. I'm not harping on it because of the opinion, though, I'm harping on it because I don't think it's appropriate to call people "blind morons" for disagreeing with a personal opinion. I realize this is the internet and expecting anything better is usually a good way to set yourself up for disappointment, but still.

Personally, my favorite MMO in terms of artistic quality and style is neither WoW nor Guild Wars, it's Eve Online.

DreamWind · Mar 18, 2009, 01:05 AM // 01:05

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Originally Posted by Ctb

That's my point. He can't prove it because it's not an objective statement, it's his personal opinion. Which is fine, but maybe he ought to not going around calling people "blind morons" because they don't agree with his personal opinions.

Uh...if somebody thinks Pac-Man has better graphics than Guild Wars I would call them a blind moron too.

fenix · Mar 18, 2009, 01:56 AM // 01:56

This is not an arguable point. Sure, you might LIKE WoW graphics more than GW graphics, but GW graphics are better. That is all.

Lonesamurai · Mar 18, 2009, 04:07 AM // 04:07

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Originally Posted by fenix

This is not an arguable point. Sure, you might LIKE WoW graphics more than GW graphics, but GW graphics are better. That is all.

Hear Ye, Hear Ye!!!

So let it be said that it was said an done!

Hear Ye, Hear Ye!!!

jackie · Mar 18, 2009, 04:32 AM // 04:32

Okay guys calm down & use your nerd rage energy and draw your character or something else!
http://artpad.art.com/artpad/painter/

RedNova88 · Mar 18, 2009, 07:08 AM // 07:08

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Originally Posted by fenix

This is not an arguable point. Sure, you might LIKE WoW graphics more than GW graphics, but GW graphics are better. That is all.

From a technical standpoint, they are. However, appearance is opinion, nothing more and nothing less.

EDIT: Failure on my part. Feel free to delete this as it's just a "hurrr i agree wit u" post.

Tullzinski · Mar 18, 2009, 12:35 PM // 12:35

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Originally Posted by Ctb

I might have, but I don't remember doing so offhand. I'm not harping on it because of the opinion, though, I'm harping on it because I don't think it's appropriate to call people "blind morons" for disagreeing with a personal opinion. I realize this is the internet and expecting anything better is usually a good way to set yourself up for disappointment, but still.

Personally, my favorite MMO in terms of artistic quality and style is neither WoW nor Guild Wars, it's Eve Online.

For someone whose has stated that his main purpose on this board is to mock other posters, you sure can dish it out but not take it. So what if he called people blind morons, you consistently do the same thing. I prove below that you have on many different occasions, then you put them on your ignore list after they make valid points(ask martin alvito), disagree with you or are steadfast in their opinions. For you to set yourself up as being offended at a comment or saying a comment is not appropriate like blind morons is laughable. You probably will not see this since you have me on your dreaded ignore list for people you think are not worth your time. Maybe someone can quote me so you will see it before it is deleted.

Lets review all the people/groups you have offended:

Here you insult all Guild War Players:
The Guild Wars players that are left anymore generally act like children, so it's time they start being treated like children.

and again:
Sadly, Guild Wars has become a lousy game full of lousy people,

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which actually might say more about how immature Guild Wars players are than it does about the quality of the game code.

again:
Welcome to Guild Wars: the worst gaming community on the internet.

Page one of post history:
All marketing majors:
I'll set my standards a little lower and accept a marketing major who can put his own shirt on without hanging himself.

All Age of Conan Players:
Age of Conan failed because it was a bad game full of nasty, childish people that nobody wanted to play with.

Here you accuse someone of "making it up":
I'm going to jump you because you're either complaining about problems that haven't existed for years or you're just making it up.

Here you tell someone that thier specualation is ridiculous:
Your ridiculous speculation on the motivations of millions of people you've never met aside

This is just page one of your post history. I shall continue:

Accused of poor reading and being a fool:
you just have poor reading comprehension. Other than that, welcome to ignore. I don't abide fools well, especially not when they get all smarmy because they don't take the time to think about what they read before getting all snippy.

Here you say the person arguing with you does not have a clue:
I'm arguing with somebody who wants to argue but doesn't know exactly what he's arguing about or against.

Here you completely insult someones posts:
Your entire post is nonsense.

Here you bust on a guy for poor math:
I realize even simple math is hard for some people

here you offend everyone on the internet:
What is it about the internet that makes people unable to make valid comparisons between like things?

Here you offend ANET
Question: Why is it so hard for people to believe that Anet doesn't want to release game info, because they don't want to (even if they have their reasons)?

Your answer: Because some of us don't want to believe that any gaming company could conceivably be that stupid?

I think that is sufficient, going through your posts is really kind of depressing.